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4. Political chauvinism.
[4/A]'I had hoped that you would seize the opportunity, Mr. Judge, to take up cudgels for the German people.
Because a blood lie has been pronounced on the German people for fifty years by the enemies of the German people, beginning with the original English propaganda lie, that we ourselves put in circulation in November 1942 against the German Reich.' ['Ich hatte gehofft, daß Sie die Gelegenheit wahrnehmen würden, Herr Richter, hier eine Lanze zu brechen für das deutsche Volk./ Denn gegen das deutsche Volk ist seit fünfzig Jahren eine Blutlüge ausgesprochen worden, von den Feinden des deutschen Volkes, ausgehend von der ursprünglichen englische Propagandalüge, die wir selbst im November 1942 gegen das deutsche Reich im Umlauf setzten.'] [Schlußwort, München, den 5. Mai 1992, nach der Originaltonbandaufnahme, n.d., 10pp., pp. 4 - 7; K4, Tab. 10, p. 68]
[4/B]'And it takes some courage, to stand up today, the way that I and an increasing number of other historians in the whole of the outside world do, and say that the Holocaust, the gas chambers in Auschwitz, didn't exist. They're just dummies, which were specially set up by the Polish or some other authorities after the end of the war in order to condemn and def... to defame the German people.' ['Und es gehört etwas dazu aufzustehen heute, so wie ich und das zunehmend andere Historiker auch tun in der ganzen Außenwelt und sagen, der Holocaust, die Gaskammernanlagen in Auschwitz hat es nicht gegeben. Die sind nur Attrapen die von den Polen oder von irgendwelchen Behörden extra erstellt worden sind nach dem Kriegende zur Verdammung, und zur Deffamierung des deutschen Volkes.'] [P's speech in Moers, 5 March 1990: K3, Tab. 5, p. 20]
[4/C]'In describing Britain as a Victorious Power, well, I'm happy to think that we're a Victorious Power and our Forces, British, Canadian, the Empire's Forces, fought grand individual battles world-wide with all the heroism that you come to associate with the Nordic peoples. The fact that we allegedly lost the war in real terms has still not been discovered by the historians. But to describe us as a Victorious Power when we were already bankrupt by Nineteen Forty, when we then went on for five years to dig ourselves even deeper into debt, destroying thousands of cities and killing millions of people, burning them alive and emerging from World War Two with our Empire already vanishing into nothingness, and to describe us now, forty-five years later, when we're little more than an off-shore Holland. [Laughter] as a Victorious Power, I mean it's very nice.' [P's speech at the Latvian Hall, Toronto, 8 November 1990: K3, Tab. 8, p. 10-11]
[4/D] 'Within ten years you will have recovered your Eastern Territories. Within fifteen years you'll have all East Prussia, including Konigsberg, Kaliningrad [unintelligible - 'back under the German flag'] [Applause] It is quite plain to me that the Deutschmark being the most powerful currency in the whole of Europe, probably by then the most powerful currency in the world. The sheer economic imperialism that this makes possible will enable Germany, a democratic Germany, to attain all the aims that Adolf Hitler set out to gain with his Panzer divisions in Nineteen Forty One. You will achieve an economic hegemony in the Ukraine, in the White, in White Russia. You will re-establish German influence in the, in the Baltic Countries.' [P's speech at the Latvian Hall, Toronto, 8 November 1990: K3, Tab. 8, p. 11]
[4/E]'So they're beginning to look for other people in the European race [for compensation], so it's turned to almost into a racial issue. It's the white Europeans who did this to the Jews and therefore the white Europeans are, it's a kind of collective guilt which is now spilling out onto all of us. And that nonsense has got to stop now, and I'm glad to say that the Archives make it possible to do so. [Applause]' [P's speech at the Latvian Hall, Toronto, 8 November 1990: K3, Tab. 8, p. 14]
[4/F]INTERVIEWER: You made a very powerful speech tonight [...] what is the message you're trying to get across to an audience of Germans like this?
IRVING: I'm very fond of the German people and it's depressed me for 30 or 40 years to see how not only have they lost their national identity, but they have no sense of national pride. They have a great tradition that you look back on and if they can look back beyond World War II. That World War II seems to have blown all the fuses as far as national pride is concerned and I'm trying to do something about restoring their sense of national pride.
INTERVIEWER: And do you restore their sense of national pride by telling them to be proud of what happened in the war?
IRVING: Well it depends what events you're looking at. There are certain events in World War II that I think they'd be justifiably proud of if they were British regiments .... [P's interview for 'This Week', 28 November 1991: K3, tab 12, p. 1]
[4/G]INTERVIEWER: There's a great deal of controversy in Germany at the moment about the influx of foreigners, of Poles, Rumanians, gypsies, Turks. Do you think that the Germans, some of the Germans are right to want those foreigners to leave?
Irving: The Germans don't have an Enoch Powell to speak for them. The Germans carry such a terrible political mortgage, so to speak, of the events of the Third Reich, the allegations of the Holocaust, and all the rest of it, that they're worried about speaking out openly. Any politician who was to speak out openly the mind of the German people would lay themselves open to cheap shots.
INTERVIEWER: What is the mind of the German people about this?
IRVING: Well you have to realize, this is something that I realized when I first came to Germany nearly 40 years ago as a steel worker in fact. I got to know the steelworkers on the furnace stage in the Ruhr. I worked in there for a year and I very rapidly realized, probably not to my surprise, that there were two Germanys, two Germans. The German you met in public and the German you met in private, in the bar across the beer table. And even now in Germany you'll find that when you're talking to journalists or professional people they'll give you the official opinion to start with, the mask. But behind the mask, at the back of their brain, is a real opinion which is tucked away, which is waiting to come out.
INTERVIEWER: And their real opinion is that they want to be pure Germans?
IRVING: Oh yes.
INTERVIEWER: And rid of foreigners?
IRVING: Oh yes. The Germans are always very proud of their German-ness.... And this German-ness is something, which persists in Germans abroad. It's probably where to look for it, this German-ness in its pure form, because you won't find it in the original motherland, you won't find it in the German fatherland because here it's been suppressed. It's been blanketed out by the events of World War II. [P's interview for This Week, 28 November 1991: K3, tab 12, pp. 2-3]
[4/H]'...I don't think I encourage any kind of violence, though I do try to encourage people to think for themselves and I'm trying to encourage the Germans to have the courage to speak for themselves and they haven't found that courage yet.'[P's interview for This Week, 28 November 1991: K3, tab 12, p. 5]
[4/I]'God works in mysterious ways, but here, we agree, he appears to be working [unreadable word] towards a Final Solution, which may cruelly wipe out not only Blacks and homosexuals but a large part of the drug addicts and sexually promiscuous and indiscriminate heterosexual population as well.' [Diary entry, 10 November, 1987; K4, Tab. 10, p. 19]
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