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Holocaust Denial on Trial, Trial Transcripts, Day 30: Electronic Edition
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1 MR JUSTICE GRAY: Can I mention some things that perhaps should
2be done before speeches. One is the Muller document.
3 MR RAMPTON: Yes, it is in hand. It is being dealt with by
4Dr Longerich who is dealing directly with Munich and I
5think also with Ludwigsburg where it is thought there is
7 MR JUSTICE GRAY: Bearing in mind how quick Munich was to
8respond on the other document, I would be hopeful that you
9would be able to let me have something this week.
10 MR RAMPTON: Yes. This is more problematical because they have
11been given the wrong file reference.
12 MR JUSTICE GRAY: I thought they had tracked down the right
14 MR RAMPTON: No, they know that it is the wrong one. They
15think they have the document but they have got to find
17 MR IRVING: The problem with Munich is all that all that they
18have is a duplicated copy.
19 MR JUSTICE GRAY: I know and that is why enquiries are being
20made of other archives, as I understand it. That is
21fine. Mr Rampton, the other thing, and it is the only
22thing that I think I need to ask you about is, I think you
23were going to give me a little bit help on what you might
24call the American Civil Evidence Act statements.
25 MR RAMPTON: Yes. That is in charge of Miss Rogers. We are
26just down to the one now. The only one of the factual
1Civil Evidence Act witnesses we want to use is Rebecca
2Guttmann about the National Alliance which I have already
3cross-examined on. Your Lordship can have this. It has
4file C, Rebecca Guttmann, and the rest can be chucked
6 MR JUSTICE GRAY: When you say the rest, can I be absolutely
7clear about what can be chucked away?
8 MR RAMPTON: Everybody else in file C.
9 MR JUSTICE GRAY: File C or C1?
10 MR RAMPTON: I call mine C. It has 425 pages.
11 MR JUSTICE GRAY: Right.
12 MR RAMPTON: And it is called Defendants Witness statements
13I should think.
14 MR JUSTICE GRAY: I now seem to have back the file I swore
15blind I never had.
16 MR RAMPTON: That is the one with the National Alliance
17material behind it.
18 MR IRVING: When you say you are using Rebecca Guttmann's
19statement, does that mean to say you are also using all
20the appendices to it, or relying on them?
21 MR RAMPTON: Yes.
22 MR JUSTICE GRAY: That is what I was going to ask.
23 MR RAMPTON: Yes, I rely on the material that she picked up at
24a National Alliance meeting in 1998 at which Mr Irving
25gave a speech.
26 MR JUSTICE GRAY: Thank you.
1 MR RAMPTON: To put it as neutrally as possible.
2 MR JUSTICE GRAY: Right. Is there anything else?
3 MR RAMPTON: No.
4 MR JUSTICE GRAY: Thank you. I think it was necessary to have
5this fairly short session.
6 MR RAMPTON: Yes, it was.
7 MR JUSTICE GRAY: So 10.30 on Monday 13th.
8 (The court adjourned until Monday, 13th March 2000).
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