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Holocaust Denial on Trial, Trial Transcripts, Day 1: Electronic Edition

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    My Lord, this is obviously an important case,
 1with whether or not the Holocaust took place or the degree
 2of Hitler's responsibility for it. On the contrary, the
 3essence of the case is Mr Irving's honesty and integrity
 4of as a chronicler -- I shy away from the word
 5"historian" -- of these matters, for if it be right that
 6Mr Irving, driven by his extremist views and sympathies,
 7has devoted his energies to the deliberate falsification
 8of this tragic episode in history, then by exposing that
 9dangerous fraud in this court the Defendants may properly
10be applauded for having performed a significant public
11service not just in this country, but in all those places
12in the world where anti-Semitism is waiting to be fed.
13 MR JUSTICE GRAY:      Mr Irving, I would have suggested -- that is
14the opening statements out of the way, as it were --
15I would have suggested we might viewed those two videos
16but we do not have the equipment.
17 MR IRVING:      We do not have the equipment unfortunately.
18I think we will have the equipment first thing tomorrow.
19 MR JUSTICE GRAY:      Whenever. The fact is we cannot do it now.
20 MR RAMPTON:      No, we cannot, my Lord.
21 MR JUSTICE GRAY:      I am just wondering where we go immediately.
22 MR RAMPTON:      Perhaps the answer might be home.
23 MR JUSTICE GRAY:      If needs be, yes. It seems to me rather
24difficult to start on the evidence without knowing whether
25we are taking Auschwitz separately and first, or whether
26it is going to be the other way round. You have not

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 1obviously resolved that.
 2 MR RAMPTON:      Can we usefully, and I mean usefully, use a little
 3bit of time now, perhaps your Lordship would adjourn until
 4tomorrow. We can then try to work out something a little
 5less jelly like than we offered your Lordship this morning
 6so far as scheduling is concerned.
 7 MR JUSTICE GRAY:      Certainly.
 8 MR RAMPTON:      And give a report tomorrow morning?
 9 MR JUSTICE GRAY:      Yes. I have a fairly short statement from
10you, Mr Irving.
11 MR IRVING:      As required under the new rules.
12 MR JUSTICE GRAY:      Yes. We will have to discuss how far one
13needs to deal with all the issues in oral evidence.
14I hope not by any means all of them. I think I am right
15in saying that really I perhaps know rather less of your
16specific answers to some of the specific criticisms than
17I would like and at some stage I would like to be provided
18with the answers.
19 MR IRVING:      I appreciate that, my Lord, and I know
20that -- I intend not to offer very much answer to the name
21calling.
22 MR JUSTICE GRAY:      No, I agree with you about that. What is at
23the heart of the case is the manipulation allegation and
24that involves looking, to a degree anyway, at what the
25historical documents actually say and mean.
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 1sides is very extensive.
 2 MR JUSTICE GRAY:      Yes. If there is nothing else we need to do
 3now, then perhaps it would be sensible to adjourn. If you
 4could let me know through the usual channels what you have
 5decided, that would help me, if you reach agreement.
 6 MR RAMPTON:      I know it would. At the moment I do not see a
 7problem with the existing plan which is to bring Professor
 8van Pelt over for the beginning of the last week in
 9January.
10 MR IRVING:      There is a problem, my Lord, and that is we have
11also arranged for our gentleman to come from California.
12We will have to iron that one out.
13 MR JUSTICE GRAY:      This cannot be done in open court. So I will
14leave it to you and we will resume at 10.30.
15 MR IRVING:      Thank you very much, my Lord.
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