Irving v. Lipstadt


Holocaust Denial on Trial, Trial Transcripts, Day 32: Electronic Edition

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    Roth seems then to have changed his mind, to
 1elements. It is possible to crawl beneath the famous
 2roof, the one we were hearing about, the one with the no
 3holes. You can crawl beneath it even now -- about which
 4roof I shall have more to say -- but neither Jan Sehn,
 5nor Fred Leuchter, nor James Roth nor Germar Rudolf, nor
 6any of the subsequent investigations have found any
 7significant traces of cyanide compounds present in the
 8fabric of this building, despite the eyewitness accounts
 9of that same chamber having been used for the gassing of
10half a million people with cyanide. Moreover, the wood
11grain of the original wooden formwork (or moulds) can
12still be seen on the face of the concrete, which is
13evidence that it has not been sandblasted or grounded
15     Now, my Lord, this takes us to the famous roof
16of Leichenkeller No. 1 of crematorium No. II at
18     I referred earlier to the expert witness on
19Auschwitz and Birkenau in this case, Professor Robert van
20Pelt. He has made unequivocal statements both here and
21elsewhere about crematorium II at Birkenau. To him it was
22the factory of death, the mass gassing chamber of
23Birkenau. He did not mince his language. In the new
24television film MR DEATH we saw him and we heard him, as
25the film camera showed Fred Leuchter descending into the
26hole which was broken post-war through the collapsed

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 1concrete roof slab and reinforcing bars of Leichenkeller I
 2(morgue No. 1) of crematorium II and we heard him uttering
 3these words, quoting off the sound track:
 4     "Crematorium II is the most lethal building of
 5Auschwitz. In the 2,500 square feet of this one room,
 6more people lost their lives than any other place on this
 7planet. 500,000 people were killed. If you would draw a
 8map of human suffering, if you created a geography of
 9atrocity, this would be the absolute centre."
10     The court will recall that on ninth day of this
11action I cross-examined this witness most closely about
12this statement and I offered him a chance to change his
13mind about the pivotal importance of crematorium II and
14its underground Leichenkeller No. I (morgue No. 1) the
15chamber which van Pelt alleged had been a mass gassing
17     IRVING: Very well. You say: This is quoting
18him from his report ----
19 MR JUSTICE GRAY:     You need not read the whole of it. He
20confirms that it is Leichenkeller I at crematorium II
21where he says the 500,000 were killed.
22 MR IRVING:     Thank you, my Lord. The expert witness could
23hardly have been clearer in his answer.
24     At page 53, I then asked him to identify the
25buildings referred to on the aerial photographs of
26Birkenau and crematorium II, so that there could later be

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 1no doubt as to which precise building he had just agreed
 2was the factory of death at Auschwitz,
 4     The great problem about accepting that this
 5building was an instrument for mass murder is that the
 6evidence produced by Professor van Pelt relies on three
 7"legs", if I can borrow Mr Rampton's word, a handful of
 8eyewitnesses, a few architectural drawings, and a slim
 9file of documents.
10     The eyewitnesses, in my submission, have turned
11out ----
12 MR RAMPTON:     No, I am sorry, that is one error that cannot be
13allowed to pass. There is a fourth leg, forensic chemical
14analysis both in 1945, 1988 and 1994.
15 MR JUSTICE GRAY:     Just to elaborate that, of Leichenkeller I
16and crematorium II?
17 MR RAMPTON:     Yes, Leichenkeller I at crematorium II by the
18Krakov forensic laboratory in December 1945, which found
19traces of cyanide on the ventilation covers by
20Mr Leuchter's analysts.
21 MR JUSTICE GRAY:     Ventilation covers from where?
22 MR RAMPTON:     From Leichenkeller I in crematorium II. If one
23looks at the report, it is as clear as anything. Leuchter
24himself, of course, in 1988, and Professor Markowitz at
25Krakov in 1994.
26 MR JUSTICE GRAY:     Thank you.

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 1 MR RAMPTON:     They are all in the evidence.
 2 MR IRVING:     My Lord, I will ask your Lordship when the time
 3comes to look at that forensic evidence and to ask
 4yourself the obvious question, what is the proof that
 5these items came from that building?
 6 MR RAMPTON:     Leuchter is certainly proof, because Mr Irving
 7relies on him.
 8 MR IRVING:     Then we have to look at the actual figures and the
 9concentrations. If I can now continue with my three legs,
10my three-legged argument?
11 MR JUSTICE GRAY:     Yes, do. Eyewitnesses?
12 MR IRVING:     The eyewitnesses have turned out to be liars,
13particularly those who testified to the SS guards opening
14manhole covers on top of the flat roof of Leichenkeller
15No. I (mortuary No. 1), and tipping tins of Zyklon B
16pellets in through the holes. One witness was David
17Olere, an artist who drew sketches years later in Paris,
18to which Mr Rampton has also referred, obviously intending
19to sell them. His sketches show flames and smoke belching
20from the crematorium chimney of crematorium No. II, which
21goes purely to the credibility of the witness, which was
22quite impossible. He portrays the victims. Your Lordship
23will remember that I asked Professor van Pelt to calculate
24the length, the path, from the furnace doors to the top of
25the chimney, and how long that flame would have had to
26be. He portrays the victims of the Nazi killers mostly as

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 1nubile young females, all naked and sketched in a
 2pornographic way, often clutching naked teenaged children
 3to their breasts. It was Olere I invite the court to
 4remember, who told Jean-Claude Pressac that the SS made
 5sausage in the crematoria out of human flesh (a passage
 6which Mr Van Pelt did not inform us of in his expert
 7report). Another witness is Ada Bimko, who proved at the
 8Belsen trial that she too had lied. Entering another gas
 9chamber building at Auschwitz she said she had "noticed
10two pipes which I was told contained the gas. There were
11two huge metal containers containing gas". She evidently
12did not know that the "gas" supposed to have been used,
13Zyklon-B, was actually in pellet form, not cylinders.
14Distorting her account too, van Pelt omitted also this
15part of her testimony. Dr Bendel, another of van Pelt's
16eyewitnesses, stated that at crematorium IV the people
17crowded into the gas chamber found the ceilings so low
18that the impression was given that the roof was falling on
19their heads. This too was untrue, as the court has seen
20how high these ceilings were in the computer-generated
21"walk through". The court will find that in my
22cross-examination of van Pelt I destroyed the worth of
23each supposed eyewitness after eyewitness in the same way,
24if I can summarize it like that.
25     Let us first look for those holes that they
26talked about. My Lord, your Lordship will remember that

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