Irving v. Lipstadt


Holocaust Denial on Trial, Trial Transcripts, Day 32: Electronic Edition

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    We have Professor Lipstadt's handwritten notes,
 1my writings, which is a very fair summary of my views,
 2both then and now, she and we would not find ourselves
 3here today.
 4     But she was led astray, my Lord. She fell in
 5with bad company, or associates. These things happen. We
 6know that, in conducting her research for the book, she
 7spoke with the Board of Deputies, the Institute of Jewish
 8Affairs, the Anti-defamation League and other such worthy
 9bodies, since she thanks all of them in her introduction.
10     My Lord, I have given a list of the bodies she
11thanks in an affidavit which is contained in my bundle
12based on the introduction to her book.
13     Some time in 1992 her book was complete in its
14first draft, and Professor Lipstadt sent it to the people
15who were paying her, the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.
16We do not know what was in the book, since I cannot
17question the second Defendant and she has not disclosed
18the early draft, with Professor Yehuda Bauer's scribbles
19on it, as he said, in her sworn list of documents. The
20early draft was clearly discoverable but it has not been
21provided to us. We do know however what was not in it.
22We know that there was no mention of his Hizbollah and
23Hamas and Louis Farrakhan and the November 1992 terrorists
24in Stockholm, or of the lie about my speaking on the same
25platform with them. In fact, we also know that in this
26first draft I was merely mentioned in passing. This is a

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 1book about denying Holocaust and I am only mentioned in
 2passing. This is evident from the letter which Professor
 3Yehuda Bauer wrote back to her, congratulating her on
 4November 27th 1992. Bauer complained that the book lacked
 5the "worldwide perspective" and said, "Irving is
 6mentioned, but not that he is the mainstay of Holocaust
 7denial today in Western Europe" which is where all the
 8misery then began of course.
 9     Somehow therefore I had to be shoe horned into
10the text before publication. Professor Bauer urged her
11too not to write things inadvertently that might convince
12the reader that there was something to what revisionists
13or deniers said, although that is hardly a true scholar's
14method, to suppress mention of opposing arguments. In a
15letter to Anthony Lerman, of the Institute of Jewish
16Jewish Affairs, (the same Mr Lerman who would spread later
17the lying word that I had supplied the trigger mechanism
18for the Oklahoma City bomb) Lipstadt revealed that there
19was an earlier incarnation of the book.
20     Now, that earlier incarnation, to use her words,
21has also not been disclosed in her sworn list of
22documents. She had been ordered to swear an affidavit on
23her list, my Lord, which is why there is a sworn list,
24because of discrepancies previously. When I made a
25subsequent complaint about deficient discovery, her
26solicitors reminded me that I could not go behind her

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 1affidavit under the rules until she presented herself for
 2cross-examination, which I think is, if I may say so, my
 3Lord, deceptive. Had they intended not calling this
 4witness to the witness stand, they should not have written
 5that to me. This chance of cross-examining the witness
 6has been denied to me.
 7     Professors Lipstadt spent of that last month of
 81992 therefore putting me into the book, whereas I had
 9only previously been mentioned, and thus putting herself
10into this court room today. They were the weeks after the
11spectacular success of the global campaign to destroy my
12legitimacy, which culminated with getting me deported in
13manacles from Canada on November 13th, 1992.
14     "I am just finishing up the book" she wrote to
15Lerman on December 18th "and, as you can well imagine,
16David Irving figures into it quite prominently". She
17pleaded with Lerman to provide, indeed to fax to her
18urgently, materials from "your files". Your Lordship may
19think that this haste to wield the hatchet compares poorly
20with the kind of in-depth years long shirt sleeved
21research which I conducted on my biographical subjects.
22"I think that he (in other words Irving) is one of the
23most dangerous figures around", she added, pleading the
24urgency. It was a spectacular epiphany, this court might
25think, given that only three weeks earlier the manuscript
26barely mentioned me, as Bauer himself had complained.

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 1From being barely mentioned to being one of the most
 2dangerous figures around.
 3     Lerman faxed his materials to her from London a
 4few days later. We do not know precisely what, and it is
 5a complete extent, as here too the defendants' discovery
 6is only fragmentary, and these items were provided to me,
 7again only in response to a summons.
 8     That is an outline of the damage, and the
 9people, including specifically the Defendants in this
10action, who were behind it. Mr Rampton suggested at a
11very early stage that I had brought all of this on my
12myself, that I even deserved it. He was talking about the
13hate wreath that was sent to me upon the death of my
14oldest daughter. We shall see.
15     My Lord, I now come to Auschwitz Concentration
17     Auschwitz has been a football of politicians and
18statesmen ever since World War II. The site has become,
19like the Holocaust itself, an industry, a big business in
20the most tasteless way, the Auschwitz site. The area,
21I am informed, is overgrown with fast food restaurants,
22souvenir and trinket shops, motels and the like. As
23Mr Rampton rightly says, I have never been to Auschwitz
24and Mr Rampton knows the reason why. The Auschwitz
25authorities said they would not allow me to visit the site
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 1have every reason to know why they do not want to allow a
 2David Irving to get his hands on their papers. Under
 3Prime Minister Josef Cyrankiewicz (who had been prisoner
 4number 62,993) it was known at its opening in 1948 as a
 5monument to the martyrdom of the Polish and other
 7     Auschwitz was overrun by the Red Army in January
 81945. The last prisoner had received the tattooed
 9number 202,499. Informed by Colonel General Heinz
10Guderian, the chief of the German Army general staff, that
11the Russians had captured Auschwitz, Hitler is recorded by
12the stenographers as saying merely "yes". The court might
13find it significant that he did not prick up his ears and
14say something like, "Herr Himmler, I hope you made sure
15the Russians will not find the slightest trace of what we
16have been up to". (Or even, "I hope you managed to get
17those holes in the roof slab of crematoria No. II cemented
18over before you blew it up".) I will shortly explain the
19significance of that. When the name of SS General Hans
20Kammler, the architect of the concentration camps, was
21mentioned to him a few days later by Goebbels, it was
22evident that even Kammler's name meant little to Hitler
23because Goebbels commented on the fact.
24     How many had died at Auschwitz? We still do not
25know with certainty, because the tragic figure has become
26an object of politics, too. Professor Arno Mayer, the

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