Irving v. Lipstadt

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Holocaust Denial on Trial, Trial Transcripts, Day 28: Electronic Edition

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    The [German] quotation in the bundle No. 2, bundle H5.(i),
 1this, that this is a very Holocaust denialist group that
 2invites Mr Irving to state things. The signatures are of
 3Steffan Rahber Forderverein Junges Deutschland and of
 4Manfried Angeford, [German]. They met together to invite
 5him in early '90, in March '90, it is in the Ruhe area in
 6the munster, in the north rural area, and then there is --
 7the next does not deal with this group. It is an
 8invitation by Valendi in 56, on the bottom of the line
 9564. I can go on and describe the content of the leaflet,
10it is very clear, but if you want I can allude to this at
11length, your Lordship.
12 MR JUSTICE GRAY:     No I think that probably will be sufficient.
13 MR IRVING:     Will you go to please to paragraph 5.3.35 of your
14report at page 72?
15 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     5.3?
16 Q. [Mr Irving]     35.
17 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Yes.
18 Q. [Mr Irving]     Now on reading my diary of April 20th -- what day is April
1920th in the German calendar, political calendar?
20 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Excuse me?
21 MR JUSTICE GRAY:     It was a Friday.
22 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     No, no, he is referring to the birthday of Adolf Hitler.
23 MR IRVING:     It was Friday and Hitler's birthday in that order.
24 MR JUSTICE GRAY:     I think you would do well to have with you,
25Professor Funke, RWE 2, tab 9, page 44.
26 MR IRVING:     My Lord, what page?

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 1 MR JUSTICE GRAY:     RWE 2, tab 9, page 44.
 2 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     On the right side, the page number. Yes, OK, I have it.
 3 MR IRVING:     This is a dinner organized, firstly, this is a page
 4from my private diary dated April 20th 1990?
 5 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Yes.
 6 Q. [Mr Irving]     And there is a reference in the paragraph beginning with
 7the word "Dosed" to a dinner organized by Mr Althans in
 8the hotel?
 9 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Yes.
10 Q. [Mr Irving]     Drielogen Hotel was a reputable Hotel in Munich, is it
11not?
12 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Excuse me?
13 Q. [Mr Irving]     It is a very reputable hotel in the city centre of Munich,
14is it not?
15 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     It seems to, yes.
16 Q. [Mr Irving]     And the people who were present, they are listed at the
17bottom?
18 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Right.
19 Q. [Mr Irving]     I found a list from which I have written down the names?
20 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Right.
21 Q. [Mr Irving]     The list says that those present are Staglich, Althans and
22a number of others. Do you recognize any English people
23there?
24 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Yes.
25 Q. [Mr Irving]     Mr Hancock?
26 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Right.

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 1 Q. [Mr Irving]     And at this dinner party Althans offered a toast to Adolf
 2Hitler, is that right?
 3 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Yes.
 4 Q. [Mr Irving]     "All rose and toasted", right?
 5 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Yes.
 6 Q. [Mr Irving]     From the diary entry, is it evident that I joined in or
 7I did not join in this very tasteless toast?
 8 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     I quote, "It ended with a drinkspruch spoken by him to a
 9certain statesman whose 101st birthday" ----
10 Q. [Mr Irving]     Can you answer the question?
11 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     --- "falls today. All rose, toasted. I had no glass as
12I do not drink".
13 MR IRVING:     Yes. So is it evident from that that I did not
14join in the toast?
15 MR RAMPTON:     Yes, but there is nothing in the diary about ----
16 MR IRVING:     Mr Rampton, will you allow the witness to answer,
17please.
18 MR RAMPTON:     No, no, no. The witness ----
19 MR IRVING:     I would grateful if you did not interrupt until he
20has finished his reply.
21 MR JUSTICE GRAY:     If it is an objection which is not a valid
22one, then I will obviously reject it.
23 MR RAMPTON:     Of course, as has not happened yet in this case,
24but has happened to me often enough in the past, Mr Irving
25should not lard his questions with interpretations like
26"this very tasteless event". There is nothing in the

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 1diary about that.
 2 MR IRVING:     Let me start off, before answering this question,
 3would you consider it to be very tasteless for a German to
 4offer a toast to Adolf Hitler in the presence of two
 5English people? Yes or no? Would you offer a toast to
 6Adolf Hitler in the presence of two English people?
 7 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     I would not do it anyway.
 8 Q. [Mr Irving]     Would you consider it to be a matter of dubious taste?
 9 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     You know I would say ----
10 Q. [Mr Irving]     Can you answer?
11 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     I answer, just now I am answering.
12 MR JUSTICE GRAY:     He did answer. He said he would not think it
13was very -- he thought it would be rather tasteless in any
14event, whether there were English people present or not.
15 MR IRVING:     In other words, the word "tasteless" was
16appropriate. Thank you, my Lord.
17 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     And if ----
18 MR JUSTICE GRAY:     No, no, let us move on.
19 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     If I regard these two, no, excuse me, my Lord. If
20I regard the two persons who were there, and I would have
21been Althans if I can, then I would not have the problem
22to do this toast.
23 MR IRVING:     Right, now will you answer?
24 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     This tasteless toast.
25 Q. [Mr Irving]     Will you now answer my previous question? Is it evident
26from the diary that I did not join in the toast?

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 1 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     It is not evident. "All rose, toasted. I had no glass as
 2I do not drink". I do not know.
 3 Q. [Mr Irving]     If one has no glass and one does not drink, how can one
 4toast someone? Will you now answer my question? Is it
 5evident from the diary that I did not join in the toast?
 6 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     I really cannot say.
 7 Q. [Mr Irving]     OK. You cannot say or you will not say?
 8 MR JUSTICE GRAY:     Mr Irving, that is unnecessary.
 9 MR IRVING:     Will you accept that it is likely that by virtue of
10the fact that I recorded this incident in my diary I found
11it distasteful?
12 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     You did not say, you did not write it, and you are an
13admirer, to a degree, of Adolf Hitler and Tony Hancock,
14the same. We saw the video where he had this accruals(?)
15of Adolf Hitler, so why not for you?
16 Q. [Mr Irving]     The video of the accruals of Adolf Hitler, what is this?
17 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     In the video we saw Tony Hancock distributing or showing
18accruals of Adolf Hitler, and we know of his record that
19he is somehow dealing with National Socialism. He was
20there, you both English persons were there, and I can
21allude to the others there, Ingrid Weckert, a very
22anti-Semitic, you know, person. By the way, Ingrid
23Weckert should have been on this list because she was very
24active in the Gesinnungsgemeinschaft, just to mention
25that.
26 Q. [Mr Irving]     

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