Irving v. Lipstadt


Holocaust Denial on Trial, Trial Transcripts, Day 28: Electronic Edition

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 1 MR IRVING:     In late 1989, Dr Funke, I conducted a tour of
 2Austria, did I not?
 3 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Yes.
 4 Q. [Mr Irving]     Did I arrange the tour or was it arranged by somebody
 6 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     It was arranged by Althans and Philipp and maybe some
 7others, but these both ----
 8 Q. [Mr Irving]     These are two of the people on the list, are they not,
 9Althans and Philipp? Can I ask you to look at document 14
10in the little bundle that I gave you this morning?
11 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     It is too packed here, excuse me.
12 Q. [Mr Irving]     There is no need to read it out, just read it to yourself
14 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Yes.
15 Q. [Mr Irving]     And then I will ask you two questions on it. (Pause for
16reading.) "I am writing to the head of the security
17police in Korinthier which is a province of Austria", is
18that right?
19 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Yes.
20 Q. [Mr Irving]     "In anticipation of the tour and I am asking him to
21effectively give me guidelines so that I can stay within
22the law"?
23 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Yes.
24 Q. [Mr Irving]     Is this a responsible thing to do?
25 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Yes.
26 Q. [Mr Irving]     Does it indicate any extremist intentions on my part or on

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 1the part of the organisers?
 2 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     The letter alludes to your topics. I quote: [German -
 3document not provided].
 4 Q. [Mr Irving]     Yes. Do you have any comments on that?
 5 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Maybe I should translate it or maybe you can translate it
 6for me?
 7 MR JUSTICE GRAY:     I would not, Professor Funke, if I were you,
 8spend very long on it. You have been asked whether you
 9regard that as a responsible letter?
10 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     No.
11 MR JUSTICE GRAY:     And it is ----
12 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     No, I do not.
13 Q. [Mr Justice Gray]     All right, you do not.
14 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     I do not because of that sentence.
15 MR IRVING:     It is considered an irresponsible letter?
16 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Yes.
17 Q. [Mr Irving]     I do not think it is going to be productive, my Lord, to
18ask questions on this, unless your Lordship wishes to?
19 MR JUSTICE GRAY:     I do not really. I did try to give you a
20steer a moment ago to what I think is helpful.
21 MR IRVING:     Yes, exactly. That is precisely how I am moving on
22not because I do not want to ask further questions. You
23referred in paragraph 5.1.11, and this very briefly, to a
24visit which I made to a man called Walter Storff who is an
25old Nazi SS friend of someone, right?
26 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Yes.

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 1 Q. [Mr Irving]     Do you accept that if you write books about Nazis, you
 2have to visit them sometimes?
 3 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Yes.
 4 Q. [Mr Irving]     In 5.1.12, we come to Mr Christopherson who is one of the
 5people on the list. Is there correspondence between me
 6and Mr Christopherson that you have read?
 7 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     To a degree.
 8 Q. [Mr Irving]     Did I ever write back to him approving of the book that he
 9sent me?
10 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     So far as I recall, no.
11 Q. [Mr Irving]     No. In 5.1.13, there is reference to a magazine that he
12published called Bauenschaft. Have you seen in all the
13papers, or my diary, or the files of correspondences which
14have been made available to you any indication that
15I ordered it, or read it, or acknowledged it or thanked
16him for it?
17 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     I cannot recall -- I have to go through these letters to
18be sure that you did not.
19 Q. [Mr Irving]     Well, let me phrase it another way. Can you recall having
20seen any such letters indicating that I ----
21 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     There were, there were a lot of quests of Christopherson
22to come to his meetings and you sometimes said no, and
23sometimes you attended like the Hagenau meeting, in so far
24as it is also prepared by Christopherson. So this is what
25I recall.
26 Q. [Mr Irving]     To give his Lordship an indication of the intensity, to

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 1use that word, my relations with Mr Christopherson, how
 2many meetings, in your opinion, did Christopherson
 3organise that I spoke at?
 4 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Only a few.
 5 Q. [Mr Irving]     One?
 6 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Only a few.
 7 Q. [Mr Irving]     Can you think of any more apart from Hagenau?
 8 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     I have to look at the Christopherson file for a minute.
 9 MR RAMPTON:     Tab 15, my Lord.
10 MR JUSTICE GRAY:     Yes, I am looking at it.
11 (Pause for reading).
12 MR JUSTICE GRAY:     I do not think there are any other meetings
13that are referred to.
14 MR RAMPTON:     There is possibly one between 12th and 17th
15September, actually.
16 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     September of what year?
17 MR RAMPTON:     1989, sorry. We do not have the recording in the
18diary of what took place.
19 MR JUSTICE GRAY:     Yes, I see what you mean.
20 MR RAMPTON:     Die Bauenschaft's annual meeting.
21 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     OK.
22 MR IRVING:     Moving on from Mr Christopherson, in 5.3.8, is
23Dieter Munier one of the names on the list? I am not
25 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Yes.
26 Q. [Mr Irving]     A publisher Arndt Verlag. Is he a publisher?

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 1 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Yes.
 2 Q. [Mr Irving]     Has he published books of mine?
 3 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Yes.
 4 Q. [Mr Irving]     Is one of the books a history of the Vorschungsamt, the
 5German intelligence code-breaking organisation?
 6 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     That may be, I am not aware, but you published it with the
 7Arndt publisher.
 8 Q. [Mr Irving]     With Arndt Verlag, yes. Are you aware that this book was
 9highly praised by Professor Watt in the witness box where
10you are now sitting?
11 MR JUSTICE GRAY:     I do not think he is on the list.
12 MR IRVING:     I beg your pardon?
13 MR JUSTICE GRAY:     He is not on the list.
14 MR IRVING:     He is not on the list. Very well, in that case,
15let us move on. In paragraph 5.3.9, and to this I do
16attach importance, my Lord, the indented passage on page
1762, now the question is, if you read the indented passage,
18Christian Worch is complaining about what I put into my
20 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Right.
21 Q. [Mr Irving]     Is he complaining because I have rubbed the noses of these
22right-wing audiences in the atrocities committed by the
24 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     To a degree.
25 Q. [Mr Irving]     To a degree. I have read out to you the entire Bruns
26Report. Is that evident from that letter?

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