Holocaust Denial on Trial, Trial Transcripts, Day 28: Electronic Edition

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    My Lord, what I have given your Lordship in this
 1how far the entry has been redacted, if at all, in RW----
 2 MR JUSTICE GRAY:     Let us move on with it.
 3 MR IRVING:     Would you just run your eye down those two pages
 4which I have given you?
 5 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Yes.
 6 Q. [Mr Irving]     Beginning with the first page, page 11, the second
 7paragraph?
 8 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Yes.
 9 Q. [Mr Irving]     Beginning with the phrase: "The audience stormed out into
10the streets"?
11 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Right.
12 Q. [Mr Irving]     "Taking about half an hour to assemble outside, I remained
13inside", does it say that?
14 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Yes.
15 Q. [Mr Irving]     How could I have joined a demonstration if I remained
16inside?
17 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Look ----
18 Q. [Mr Irving]     Selling books, pack ----
19 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     --- look further down to your own diary.
20 Q. [Mr Irving]     Then it says: "Job finished. The driver suggested he
21drive me to the Hotel Dreilogen?
22 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Yes.
23 Q. [Mr Irving]     "Via the route", in other words, "driving by the route
24taken by this spontaneous demonstration"?
25 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Yes.
26 Q. [Mr Irving]     So I was not part of the demonstration; I was driving past

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 1it to see what the fuss was because there had been police
 2flashing lights, and so on? Right?
 3 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     I see it.
 4 Q. [Mr Irving]     "I got out of the car" -- this is four lines from the
 5bottom "because I sighted my dinner guests. Crossed to
 6say hello to them. There was some annoyance on the part
 7of the demonstrators that I had not been with them". Did
 8you see that? Why did you not quote that?
 9 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Right, right.
10 Q. [Mr Irving]     I was not part of the demonstration. I do not really
11want, unless you wish to draw attention to any other parts
12of that diary entry?
13 MR JUSTICE GRAY:     I suspect he wants to read on to the bottom
14of the page, is that right?
15 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Shall I read it to the court?
16 Q. [Mr Irving]     No. Read the bits of it that you rely on.
17 MR IRVING:     Yes.
18 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     So, "I sighted Uschi who had invited me to dinner. Got
19out of car after Daniel Hecht", I think, "crossed to say
20hello to them. Some annoyance on the 250's part that
21I had not been with them. I explained I had to pack
22things up. Two minutes later police trucks arrived with
23reinforcements. Announced over loud speakers, 'Dieses ist
24ein angemieldete Sammlung, es ist verbotten. Sie haben
25alle nach Hausen zugehen'". "This is an illegal
26demonstration". I can translate it shortly. If you want

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 1it precise, do it, yes.
 2 THE INTERPRETER:     "This is a translation (sic) which no notice
 3has been given of. It is forbidden. You are all
 4requested to go home"?
 5 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Right. And I refer to this being "forbidden" in my
 6report ----
 7 THE INTERPRETER:     Ordered to go home?
 8 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     --- or words to that effect.
 9 Q. [Mr Irving]     Can I ask?
10 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     He adds, so then: "Road cordons were thrown across the
11street ahead of us and we were told to filter through
12single and disperse. I found myself in an embarrassing
13position, unwilling to desert audience, but equally
14unwilling to end up being coshed by a policeman".
15 Q. [Mr Irving]     Coshed by a policeman?
16 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Yes. "I filtered forwards and after minutes hold up I was
17allowed through by the cordons. 30 seconds later I was
18arrested by a small Italian-looking moustached police
19officer aged perhaps 35 who declared me to be a
20versammlungsleiter".
21 Q. [Mr Irving]     We do not need the rest.
22 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     This is the point. If you take this part and see the
23video, there is the moustached and so forth officer and
24you see before, you know, a march route of a given
25people. In the front Mr Irving, behind Michael Kuhnen.
26So, of course, it was some minutes, but you were asked by

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 1the crowd to enter and you did.
 2 MR IRVING:     You say some minutes. Can I ask you about the
 3time-scale?
 4 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     I do not know the time-scale. I just saw the video and
 5I saw your diary and I saw another clip of Althans given
 6to Zundel or by Zundel presenting the case further down in
 7this document.
 8 Q. [Mr Irving]     Can I draw your attention to the second line of that
 9second paragraph on page 11: "I remained inside selling
10the books, packaging them up and supervising their loading
11into the two cars". How long do you think that took?
12 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     I do not know.
13 Q. [Mr Irving]     £2,000 worth of books had to be packaged into boxes, the
14boxes sealed, loaded into two cars -- three quarters of an
15hour, an hour?
16 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     I have no problem with that. I did not say you went all
17along, I do not know, maybe. There is, by the way, if
18I may add this, there is a longer version of this video,
19and if it is necessary, if this is a decisive point for
20the assessment, if I may add ----
21 MR JUSTICE GRAY:     It does not strike me as a decisive point. I
22think we can move on.
23 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Then I would ask to get this to the court, but it is very
24difficult because it is in the hands of Michael Schmidt
25and I have to figure out where he is.
26 MR JUSTICE GRAY:     I know what the issue is.

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 1 MR IRVING:     One more question and this is will you accept,
 2because I asked you this question two or three times
 3yesterday, the video shows clearly that these rather
 4bestraggled demonstrators are actually returning from the
 5demonstration they had been off to at the time I joined
 6them and they are heading north ----
 7 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     That does not fit.
 8 Q. [Mr Irving]     Excuse me, they are heading north at the time I joined
 9them, in other words, it is all over -- and do you
10remember me asking you these questions yesterday?
11 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     Yes.
12 Q. [Mr Irving]     And you made out that you could not recognize the victory
13monument behind them and so on?
14 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     There is no probability for that. You know, it fits so
15well with what you are writing in the diary and what is
16shown in the video that I cannot say "yes" to this
17question.
18 Q. [Mr Irving]     So you do not accept that it took me one hour to load the
19boxes of books into the car and to drive off to the hotel
20and then come back and find the demonstrators walking back
21from their demonstration at this time this misfortune
22happened?
23 A. [Dr Hajo Funke]     I mean, you had a lot of books to sell, but you need not
24an hour. I do not know how long it took.
25 Q. [Mr Irving]     Very well. Would you now just have a brief look at
26photographs, please? The second bundle of photographs.

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