Irving v. Lipstadt
Holocaust Denial on Trial, Trial Transcripts, Day 25: Electronic Edition
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1 Q. [Mr Irving] Were they originally kept confidential, these interviews?
2 A. [Dr Heinz Peter Longerich] Not that I am aware of. I am using this since the 1970s
3and I think they were publicly accessible to everybody.
4 MR JUSTICE GRAY: I notice that Mr Irving's manuscript is ----
5 A. [Dr Heinz Peter Longerich] Not this one, but I know the collection. I spent a lot of
6time reading this.
7 MR JUSTICE GRAY: Mr Irving's manuscript is headed
8"Confidential" I notice, but that does not appear to be
9on the original.
10 A. [Dr Heinz Peter Longerich] Where is that?
11 MR JUSTICE GRAY: That is page 14 in the clip you got this
13 MR IRVING: Yes. My Lord, access to a lot of these documents
14is going to be on the basis of confidentiality by the
15Institute, because these people are still alive. My final
16question is, this is an interview by an historian and not
17by a prosecutor, is it not?
18 A. [Dr Heinz Peter Longerich] An historian, yes.
19 Q. [Mr Irving] Would you expect an interview by an historian to obtain
20other information from a witness than a prosecutor would,
21a different kind of overall picture?
22 A. [Dr Heinz Peter Longerich] One has to discuss the quality of this particular
23interview. An historian, I do not know this person, I do
24not know who -- I think it was Wolfgang Ziegel, as far as
25I can see -- I have my doubts about his quality as a good
26interviewer I have to say. I think he was sitting
1together with people, chatting with them, and then he was
2going home and made a kind of summary. It is not an
3accurate verbatim protocol, a minute of a meeting.
4 Q. [Mr Irving] Do you have any basis for saying that it is not an
6 A. [Dr Heinz Peter Longerich] It is not a verbatim, it is not countersigned as far as
7I see from Wolff. So he visited Wolff in Munich in his
8flat, chatted with him, went back to the Institute and
9wrote down, you know, his general view about this.
10 Q. [Mr Irving] Would he have taken notes, do you think, during the
12 A. [Dr Heinz Peter Longerich] I do not know. I have no idea. Sometimes interviewees
13say: "Please do not take notes". I do not know what
14Wolff's attitude was. I have no indication of that.
15 MR IRVING: Thank you.
16 MR JUSTICE GRAY: We will resume on Monday at 10.30.
17 < (The witness stood down).
18(The Court adjourned until Monday, 28th February 2000
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