Irving v. Lipstadt


Holocaust Denial on Trial, Trial Transcripts, Day 19: Electronic Edition

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    Yes, I think I agree with that. I think you
 1probably not trouble with them or, at any rate, take them
 2very shortly if you want to.
 3 MR IRVING:     Yes. Has your Lordship in your Lordship's memory
 4which particular matters those are that are no longer
 5relied on? Sikorsky is one, I believe?
 6 MR JUSTICE GRAY:     Sikorsky is certainly one. Hitler's
 7adjutants, I think, has rather come back in again.
 8I mean, I think it is probably not sensible for me to try
 9to identify them now because I do not really have them in
10mind, but if the Defendants let you know whether there are
11parts in your report that are no longer relied on, that
12might simplify things all round.
13 MR IRVING:     What about Moscow? Is there anything about Moscow
14in this report?
15 MR JUSTICE GRAY:     I do not think there is.
16 MR RAMPTON:     Not about Moscow. I have done that anyway.
17Moscow is certainly a live issue. There is nothing about
18Moscow in this report, as far as I know.
19 MR IRVING:     My Lord, are you going to permit a further
20cross-examination of me?
21 MR JUSTICE GRAY:     I think we have always contemplated there
22would be a further cross-examination, but it is not
23open-ended. It is dealing with left over topics.
24 MR RAMPTON:     Can I tell your Lordship what I have left? I have
25got the Fleming book which has a reference to the Muller
26message to the Einsatzgruppen on 1st August 1941. I have

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 1got Kinner Zamos report of 16th December 1942. I have got
 2Anne Frank. I have got the criminal statistics which is
 3dealt with towards the end of Professor Evans' report,
 4pages 692 to 8, and I have got a couple of other things
 5which I am just having checked at the moment. If
 6necessary, I will give notice and, of course, I have the
 7political associations as well.
 8 MR JUSTICE GRAY:     Yes. That is very helpful, but if you are
 9able to tell, or Miss Rogers or somebody is able to tell,
10Mr Irving that there are parts of Professor Evans' report
11which are no longer really relied on and, therefore, he
12need not trouble with them?
13 MR RAMPTON:     I think it means we can regard the Adjutants and
14the Roman Jews as out of the ring.
15 MR JUSTICE GRAY:     There may be other bits?
16 MR RAMPTON:     Little bits, but those are the two main subjects,
18 MR JUSTICE GRAY:     Does that help, Mr Irving, a bit?
19 MR RAMPTON:     Though I cannot guarantee it will not ----
20 MR IRVING:     If I had known we could have torn up the first 120
21pages of his report, it would have saved a lot of time.
22 MR JUSTICE GRAY:     I am not sure that I would put it quite like
24 (The court adjourned until the following day)

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